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Post by WESTERN MD HUNTER on Dec 20, 2006 19:18:27 GMT -5
Should md have a 3 pt or more on one side rule like pa or would this be a bad idea. how does everyone else feel i am for it. being a hunter that hunts state land alot
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Post by davep on Dec 20, 2006 20:50:48 GMT -5
NOPE!
First,what's a trophy to you,may not be to the next guy,especially a kid.I feel that we, as hunters, are already putting too much emphasis on big racks.
Second,some deer just NEVER develop decent racks.These rules allow them to survive and breed,as we crop off the "shooters".
Sometimes I'll burn a tag on a "cull" buck on my place. (after I just said we put too much emphasis on racks!)
Third,I think a lot of these minimum point and minimum spread restrictions leave a lot of dead bucks in the woods,due to the "oops" factor.
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jimbow
Junior Hunter
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Post by jimbow on Dec 20, 2006 21:20:22 GMT -5
I think a 3pt to a side rule would be great,but our kids should be exempt from it.
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Post by Hardcorehunter on Dec 20, 2006 22:28:29 GMT -5
PA has a high amount of hunters and hunting pressure. The wern't seeing trophy bucks because few deer could live that long. I think the restrictions allow bucks to grow up and become WISE old bucks instead of STUPID young bucks. If our MD deer herds start to take that path I would be for restrictions. But as long as a I keep seeing pictures like the ones on this site, and lets not forget the biggest deer ever shot on the east coast, I say we're doing something right with no restrictions. I see that western MD has different regs for deer. Less does that can be taken. Maybe DNR is trying to fix that problem for you?
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Post by jlwade on Dec 20, 2006 22:59:20 GMT -5
The maryland independent had a good little side article about managing the deer herd in Md and what dnr was trying to accomplish with our limits today on the front page of the sports section. As far as PA goes most of my in laws are from up there and 10 years ago if you shot a small 6 point you were a hero, needless to say they would come to Md to hunt nice deer. Ive heard that back then the minimum length of the rack had to be over 3" so people sold scopes with a small line on the reticle so that you could see the 3" spike through the scope. I think Md is doing just fine even in the more densely populated counties you still see huge bucks being taken regularly. This year i have seen more big deer personally than i have in several previous years. I would like to see some better public hunting land.
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Post by WESTERN MD HUNTER on Dec 20, 2006 23:15:56 GMT -5
here are a couple other things that have come to interesting debates over the last couple of years. whats some opions on these
1) moving bow season back till october 15th
2) early muzzleloader season good or bad
3) and the youth hunt is it good or bad
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Post by WESTERN MD HUNTER on Dec 20, 2006 23:24:19 GMT -5
jlwade i will say the deer population has been better this year with some real nice bucks than the past 2 or 3 yrs i actually seen the biggest deer i have ever seen in the woods in person this year and am pretty sure it made it thru rifle season (hopefully) lol
and the reason i am asking these ?s is that there are alot of other hunters to reach out to and get other opions and points me personally i dont know enough about the proper management tactics
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Post by nybuckstalker on Dec 21, 2006 9:28:39 GMT -5
I would like to see a restriction on state lands only for a couple of reasons. Most state owned lands are large enough to specifically manage. They could really produce large bucks without fear of a neighboring private landowner shooting a young buck with a lot of potential. While I do agree any buck is a trophy, I could only dream the numerous four pointers and spikes that I have shot were at least 8 pointers. After only a couple of years under a restriction, I think there would be a lot more, happier hunters.
Personally, I am not a big fan of the early muzzleloader season. Coming from a state where there was no early season, I have seen the HUGE difference the early season has on Bow hunting. I also think that the opening day of shotgun or riffle season is affected by the early muzzleloader season. In my opinion, thousands of "Hunters", who could have easily purchased a muzzleloader at Wal-Mart for $150, trample through the woods for a week, right when things are heating up for bow hunters who have spent much more time and money perfecting their skills. Again, those of you who have lived here with it and never experienced a state without the early season wouldn’t know the difference.
The youth hunt is a great opportunity that I never had. However, all kids and most fathers have Sundays off! Therefore, Sunday hunting should be the focus to get more kids involved in the sport. I’m really not convinced that early junior hunt makes kids want to hunt. The majority of hunters hunt because someone in their family introduced them into the sport and they really wanted to hunt. Not because they had an early crack at it. My dad probably gave up a lot of opportunities taking me into the woods when I was five but he got me hooked. When opening day came around, I was excited to hunt with all the big boys. I’m sure they felt a little better, knowing that I didn’t already shoot some of the big bucks that they had seen throughout bow season.
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Post by powdernut on Dec 21, 2006 9:48:55 GMT -5
I think they let us shoot to many does 36 with all seasons combined is alot ,and to me when you take out that many it hurts the overall population I only take about four per year.I police myself by not shooting anything under a eight pt. but feel it is fair for a beginner to take a small rack for their first. We need kids to hunt and they should have a couple youth day hunts every year .I would hate to see any season shortend because we don't have enough time to hunt as it is . But if they shorten the seasons they should give us SUNDAYS!! to balance it out.I think we have actually lost hunters in western charles because of all the developing that has been going on the last few years .Good for me Bad for some because there isn"t enough state land for everyone to hunt and the farmers don't want strangers on their land hunting , so if you dont own land down this way your outta luck unless you know someone.
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Post by busco on Dec 21, 2006 10:33:54 GMT -5
i think that a 3 pt rule would be great with the exception for youth days. I know that the hunting in where i am origianally from got much better a couple years after they went to 4 point or more
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Post by THE DEER HUNTER on Dec 21, 2006 11:37:31 GMT -5
I do agree - 36 is A LOT of deer for one person to harvest in a season. With a limit that high, I'm not really sure why there is even a need for one. I personally limit myself to a whole lot less than 36.
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Post by blueh1 on Dec 21, 2006 12:26:16 GMT -5
i am tired of the old saying, "any buck is a trophy".... i believe a trophy is a deer u hang up on the wall. can't remember the last time i saw a spike in someone's house. i consider myself a trophy hunter( with no trophy). consistantly pass on any deer not worthy of being in my house. if a 3pt rule increased the likelihood of a 125+or even 140's, i'm all for it.
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Post by BIG FOX on Dec 21, 2006 12:44:35 GMT -5
Well Blueh1 you must not have kids... I know in the next few years when my son's are old enough to shoot i will let them shoot whatever they want. I will teach them the difference but when we go out and if a small buck was to come out i would let either of them shoot it if they chose to. I still have the racks of small deer i have shot in my shed from years past. and in some instances they were small deer i would not shoot now but at the time i was extremely proud of them. most of them were taken on stalks and hunting from the ground so i was extremely proud at the time. Of course i have made the decision now to pass on those deer but when my boys are old enough it will be their decision on what is their trophy. all i can do is teach them the best i can. but if they want to shot a smaller buck and they will be happy then i will be glad to let them and i will be happy. not everyone has the access to hunt alot during the year and when you throw taking the kids into the mix sometimes you have to let them shot lesser deer to keep the younger kids interested init. i can tell you that alot of the younger generation seem to get bored quick and if you take them hunting and tell them they cannot shoot anything but a wall hanger they will lose interest quick...
not a sermon just a thought...
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Post by THE DEER HUNTER on Dec 21, 2006 12:47:57 GMT -5
can't remember the last time i saw a spike in someone's house. Buckmaster has a spike mounted and hanging on the wall at his house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think it's funny and I chuckle every time I see it. Buckmaster's spike on his wall is the only one I've ever seen though. |
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Post by BIG FOX on Dec 21, 2006 12:54:56 GMT -5
I am a full believer it is all in the eye of the beholder.. You do not have to get every deer you shoot mounted to be proud of it.. i know ALOT of people that shoot to feed their families, and you bet your ass that includes smaller bucks.. I give alot of deer meat away to people that love deer meat but do not hunt. and not everyone can afford 300-400-500$ in taxidermy for one head let alone for multiple heads a year.. i know guys that are proud of just getting out and having the chance at a decent buck, may not be a monster but they are happy with it... now i am not saying people should shoot every buck that comes out but if you or your kids or whoever is happy with it and proud to have the chance to take a deer than more power to you...
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